for a country, virtue is to have your balance of payments, if anything, in surplus, not in deficit. now, the anglo-saxons are more accustomed to think in systemic terms what happens if each country is as virtuous as germany is? what happens to global demand then and so on and so forth? aren't these cultural aspect glz they are, indeed. >> but they determine everyday policy, if not politics. >> rose: when you look at th the-- has dealing with this crisis and having it on the front burner perhaps not led to, you know, the end of the euro zone, as some people feared, certainly the membership in part of the euro zone, but may very well have given some momentum to monetary and fiscal and even political union? >> definitely. definitely. the man who found-- founded the concept of the european union in the late 40s and 50s, john monet. >> rose: a frenchman. >> said that the integration of europe will grow through crisis. and he was very right. also in that respect. because you see, when we have a serious crisis like undoubtedly the euro zone crise has been, you either accept the distraction